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Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

JohnDewey — Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:51:59 -0000

It's not surprising to me that Costco's customers have much higher incomes than do Walmart's. In Texas the Costco stores are located in upper middle class suburbs. I think membership is about $45 a year, which probably keeps out many low income families who believe they can get equal savings at WalMart.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Gravity — Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:09:07 -0000

I got my numbers from the Census Bureau. I looked at median *personal* income, not median *household* income. Since the quote I take issue with refers to average "customer" earnings, I feel that personal income is the more appropriate measure.

Still, even if you assume they meant household income, the numbers seem wacky. You're telling me the average Costco shopper earns 70% more than the national average? Doesn't seem right to me.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

PlanMaestro — Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:26:50 -0000

I think the source for the Medicare figures was the 12-page leaked internal memo of 1 month ago. It included average numbers for US retail.

http://www.nytimes.com/pack...

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Blake Riley — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:13:48 -0000

Gravity, where did you get your number from? According to the Census Bureau, median household income is around $44,000. While I don't know where Russ got his numbers, they seem reasonable compared to this.

http://www.census.gov/Press...

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Luisa — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:48:19 -0000

http://acu.org

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Gravity — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:25:37 -0000

"The average Wal-Mart customer earns $35,000 a year, compared with $50,000 at Target and $74,000 at Costco."

Huh? Median income in the United States is approximately $25,000 a year. Where do these numbers come from?

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

John Pertz — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:48:22 -0000

Larraine is sadly a shining example of the venom of the Left. Listen to the rage oozing out of her post. I love the accusation that Wal Mart sells junk. How cheep, in fact she offers no facts to back up here accusations that Wal Mart does sell junk. I dont understand why should we say such a thing because everytime that I go into the store I always see brand new products on the shelves. I guess there must be some secret garbage section of Walmart, kind of like the back room of old school video rental stores that contained the porno tapes. I'll have to look for the curtain in the back of Walmart so I can see the "JUNK ROOM."LOL

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

JohnDewey — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:33:47 -0000

Larraine,

I own a small retail business. Like most retailers, including Walmart, I do not provide health insurance for parttime employees. Most of those employees have health insurance anyway: some through the employer of spouses or parents; some through school health programs; and some through the fulltime jobs they also hold. One may take advantage of other government-sponsored health programs. If health insurance was an issue for my parttime employees - or for Walmart's - they would move on to jobs that provide it. I would then be forced to provide health benefits - and pass along the costs to my customers - or else find other workers who didn't require health coverage.

We cannot blame Walmart or any other company if their government decides to provide for their employees' health care. We can only blame ourselves for allowing elected represestatives to fund it. There is no reason why Walmart should not take advantage of the government giveaway that all other retailers can likewise benefit from. Walmart would be shirking its duty to its shareholders to allow other retailers that cost advantage.

I don't think Walmart sells junk. Neither do its other constomers, who continue to buy in record numbers.

As for your claim that inexpensive Asian imports hurt our economy in the long run: where's the evidence? We've been buying more and more from Asia for at least 30 years. During that same period, real U.S. wages have increased and U.S. unemployment levels dropped to lowest levels in 40 years.

What Walmart's lower prices allow us to do is spend more money on other goods and services to the benefit of our economy. I fund Arizona and Colorado vacations with the money I save by buying inexpensive Asian goods. I'd much rather be paying those savings to the owners of a Scottsdale golf resort than overpaying unskilled American workers for sewing T-Shirts. No reason I should miss out on my vacation because some folks in South Carolina refuse to learn a skill.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Russell Nelson — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:19:52 -0000

thedaddy,

No, but it help.

-russ (no, not THAT russ)

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

thedaddy — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:39:02 -0000

Lorraine,

You didn't have to post it twice to show what an ill informed person you are.

thedaddy

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Larraine — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:23:25 -0000

Wal-mart may be good for the short run for the poor but not for the long run. If forcing taxpayers to pay for their employees' health care is "progressive" than I guess I thought the term meant something very different. In addition the junk Wal-mart sells is all made in China and the "poor" are forced into low-paying service jobs instead of higher paying manufacturing jobs. Meanwhile third world country workers are being paid literally pennies.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Larraine — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:22:56 -0000

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

ralphie — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:21:51 -0000

I was in Palm Springs this weekend. The local weekly had one article protesting Wal-Mart's plans to open another store out there, and another article lamenting the lack of a Super Target. Can somebody explain that one to me?

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Vince Daliessio — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:10:05 -0000

Nice post - especially with regard to the fact that for all of the carping about the "bad" things WalMart does, its competitors do pretty much exactly the same thing.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

dagmy — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:15:57 -0000

People like to protest Wal-Mart because it's an unappealing place to shop if you have any better alternatives, but you get more happy feelings from saying "I don't shop at Wal-Mart because I disagree with them ethically" than "I don't shop at Wal-Mart because their aisles are crowded and the lines are long."

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

John Pertz — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:50:55 -0000

The Walmart controversy is a very very bad debate. Anytime that you have to argue for "Democratic Facism", and that is exactly what Walmarts critics are doing, then you are putting yourself in an extremely vunerable position. Arguing against Walmart is not a terribly logical or ethical thing to do.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

doinkicarus — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:54:27 -0000

I don't think there exists any evidence suggesting that if Wal-Mart were to raise its wage/benefit package, the people would be so taken by Wal-mart's generosity, as to line up in droves to purchase their wares in record numbers, thus negating any adverse effects. On the contrary, people appear to be quite satisfied with the prices they pay at Wal-Mart.

Otherwise, Wal-mart wouldn't be in business any longer

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Axel Kassel — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:48:01 -0000

Why does Mr. Mallaby keep calling liberals "progressives" when they're nothing more than early-20th Century Labour Party cross-dressers?

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

rmark — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:19:50 -0000

If Wal-mart doesn't sell it, I don't buy it plus I also have my paycheck direct deposited to them, its much simpler. Ok, it just seems like the above. Living in a smaller town in flyover country, we can't get a Target (too many poor students, not enough roads)and I've never even seen a Costco. Why is Ikea so loved? Its just another big box store with inexpensive products.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

JohnDewey — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:37:19 -0000

I think many Wal Mart attackers truly believe in what they are doing: fighting for a socialist world. Although some may be motivated by greed, many see their fight against WalMart as a crusade for control over evil private enterprise.

WalMart's sin is simply that they have been extremely successful at meeting the needs of their customers. WalMart's customers and its employees are happy with the company. The arrogance of the socialists is that they are certain they know what is better for those customers and employees.

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Christopher Meisenzahl — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:26:31 -0000

Wonderful, thanks for posting this Russell!

Chris

http://amateureconblog.blog...

Re: Progressive Wal-Mart

Randy — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:21:23 -0000

It seems obvious to me that the attacks on WalMart are motivated by simple greed. And I find it amusing that once again the extortion method of choice is to accuse the intended target of greed.